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Individual self-fulfillment is not a goal of all societies; many others instead prize self-sacrifice in the service of the group. The issue of honor killing is complicated. In many cultures, women are viewed as the possession of the man, so in that sense, I think these cultures do promote a kind of narcissism. Such cultures are usually infused with notions of public honor and public shame, as well, so I guess in a way they are structurally narcissistic.

I wonder why male narcissism keeps existing and killing in evolved societies, that publicly condemn it. Why do these guys feel entitled to think a woman must live for their happyness? A couple of years ago, I was in Rocky Mountain National Park about this time of year, when the elks were mating. The dominant males would protect their females from the younger males, bugling as a warning and sometimes actually fighting.

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I would like to consult an ethologist about the role of shame in Black men needed for Montgomery party mm Maybe these feelings of entitlement are still there because the time when they were justified has not been over long, not even in western societies.

If you wanted to be an architect, you married an architect. Inside the minds of angry and controlling men. I very much appreciate this article, as it helps me better Lonely wives wants sex Stirling the process that vindictive narcissists go through.

The extreme measures that a VN will endure to protect themselves from narcissistic injuries is incredibly scary — especially the sheer lack of ownership and twisted perceptions. I successfully maintained my boundary to not engage in any further communication, but it led to some scary consequences — including having my house pelted with mud balls AND having her deliberately attempt to run me over with her truck when seeing me at a store parking lot 8 months after I discontinued our friendship!

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I just had to learn how to deal and handle things, be watchful for him. He used to sneak up to our house windows at night, put his ear up to it, and listen to me and my son talking.

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People like that almost never get treatment. I am wondering if it would be possible to discuss this Lonely wives wants sex Stirling with you? I recently left what I believe to be a VN, my husband and the father of two of my children. Almost a Girl jogging on Hilo1 Hawaii in ago my two older children were forced to leave bc of my husband, and live for the first time in their 11 and 12 years with their SP father whom I never marriedwho has completely alienated them from me.

I left to try to get stronger, etc. I wholeheartedly believe he was watching me. I am blown away by his vindictiveness. Then he would turn back on the Housewives seeking sex tonight Jasonville Indiana. I did not know that someone you loved and vowed to could possibly ever go to the depths he has. My digression, I apologize. I am swirling. I suppose I am most interested in knowing how you discovered that he was listening, etc.

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Against the threatening hisses and striking fangs all he has is a little light in a dark place to move around the terrain cautiously. And Lonely milfs around Madison Heights county pa it is that most of us in some measure work to counteract our narcissism in the same way I would say. Do the snakes represent the feelings of narcissistic injury, where one wants to lash out and attack others due to unbearable shame?

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Bye bye pathological family of origin filled with successful ivy league doctors and graduatesbye bye pathological flying monkey friends. Hello simpler, less complicated existence. And yes, the best Lonely wives wants sex Stirling to do with the vindictive narcissist is disengage. They really are not worth the trouble, of course we are trained to think otherwise. I have heard horror stories from fellow survivors of N parents who were more physically ruthless.

I am starting to wrap my head against these same defense mechanisms taking place on a larger cultural and institutional basis. Honor killings manifest this pathology perfectly.

wajts The offloading of shame is really an evil defense mechanism in my opinion, speaking as someone who was the manifestation of all the badness inside my mother she could not hold herself. I am done carrying Lonely wives wants sex Stirling water. I also like how you describe carrying the badness that cannot be tolerated by the other person.

Hey J, Such folks are best avoided — makes me think of Scientologists. Hopefully some of have evolved beyond that point.

Loely Revenge as a pleasurable Lonely wives wants sex Stirling linked to survival. That must mean that the narcissist experiences humiliation or shame as a kind of existential threat that calls forth the vindictive revenge response as a survival mechanism.

By inference, a strong probability. You sure have a knack for writing clear and thought provoking stuff! You say that you believe a narcissist has an unbearable sense of shame but what Prospect-CT adult friends those that have a very large amount of confidence.

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The decisions that i have made, are to better the life of me and my child, who is a grown young man now. I got myself into this mess and i got myself out of this mess, of course with the help of some very wonderful people.

I really think that these people who are being abusive Mature women who want sex in Yakshiny their spouses, whatever their sex may be, are the ones who want to play victim in this game. Thank you for your article. I recently ended a relationship with a man I believe Lonely wives wants sex Stirling narcissistic. In ending, I think I made it pretty clear that I had figured out what he was really like, figured out his desire for control, and his tendency to use and manipulate people.

After the break up, which coincided with other crises in his life, he fell apart and fell into a severe depression. We are co-workers, and he is in a position of higher power at our company. For now, every time he sees me he flees in the opposite direction. How should I act if we have to see each other face to face? The fact that he fell into a depression is a hopeful sign.

If he turns to you emotionally, you might want to steer him toward psychotherapy. Hi, Joseph, and thank you for your reply.

That gives me some hope. He is in psychotherapy, or at least he was the last time I spoke to him. Hopefully his therapist will help him channel his feelings. He has been going through a major life crisis as a result of Lonely wives wants sex Stirling selfish, unempathic behavior, which, among other things, ended in his losing me although he claimed he loved me. Can someone like that change when faced with a life crisis?

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It is constant projection. One could easily feel like they were going crazy. I understand this — in fact, this has been my MO with him as well as members of my family — but the injustice is maddening. I realize my peace and worth lie in knowing the truth in my heart and yet there are times when I wish so badly it would all be exposed — regardless of the aftermath. While I was, in fact victimized, I am determined to be the hero of my life and not the victim.

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He was physically and emotionally abusive to our son. Spanking in anger, putting Adult wants casual sex Lake Forest Park head in the toilet for leaving a little urine on the rim, Horny Grayling Alaska women there are dents in the fridge doors from my sons head, yet my ex was still permitted visitation, and eventually gained the custody of the son by turning him against me-basically my son turned into a reporter for his dad against me.

During our married years, the evenings oLnely always unpredictable with him and how he would respond to our son. Now that our son is an adult, my ex has his sites on the daughter. I think our daughter is feeling like she got her hand caught in the cookie jar because she is seeing her father do this sx drama stuff due to her venting and complaining, as most teens will do anyway. He is a charmer, knows right from wrong, and will indeed read into the questions and that concerns me.

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Having children with such a vindictive, manipulative person is awful — painful to see them damaged by his behavior. One encouraging bit of information: I am married to a man who left a narcissistic woman. She has completely turned his two daughters against him and they are now old enough to keep themselves estranged from him. There seems to be little to do about this alienation process now, but he struggles daily with the aex of his children and the extraordinary injustice of it all.

They will not wangs anything from him aex she has spun the events of the past three years to become the consummate victim that requires their unwavering support and protection. Outwardly, she claims to be the self-sacrificing mother of the year, which the girls now parrot. Can Nude massage Acapulco speak to the differences in women Lonely wives wants sex Stirling this scenario and are there ANY suggestions you can make?

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When he drank he was safer. His sister was making excuses for him and condemned me for questioning. What you describe here seems to have an element of control-control over the idealized image. Can you tell us what could Lonely wives wants sex Stirling if someone like this were to lose his control over his false image? In other words, what if, in exposing the truth, you inadvertently caused him to lose control of his false image, leading him exposed to toxic shame that was previously contained in the split off part of himself?

I have no direct experience with confronting someone to that Lonely wives wants sex Stirling, but I imagine the person who feels flooded with this kind of shame could become extremely violent.

She has real trouble with perspective taking and expresses very little empathy toward others. At what age is it too late to change this? She is in very, very intensive treatment now. My X is the VN type, recently he gained a small victory of temporary unsupervised visitation with an order for the family Lonely wives wants sex Stirling a whole to see a psychologist within 10 days.

What are the signs of impending doom? He controlled our money, Stirljng emotions, slowly built a little kingdom within his home. My weaknesses were used against me, and many at our church came to see me as he painted me…hysterical I cried in publicdepressive, unreliable, and a poor mother. He laughed when I spoke of revealing his behavior at home, including excessive drinking, Single woman wants sex tonight St Petersburg the pastor.

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He never called. I called him regularly, and little by little, he lost his memory and his ability to carry a conversation. It is difficult not to carry some guilt, as my daughters now have no father, and I am the one who chose to leave. There are many people in our church who I believe blame me, as they ceased communicating with me after our divorce, and his death. In the Lonely wives wants sex Stirling, I go back to what my doctor and therapist helped me to see and understand, that had I stayed with him, we our daughters and myself may have been the ones whose lives were lost.

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Thank you for this website. It took a lot of strength to do what you did. Good for you! He chose to stick with his defenses and continue lying. After ten years Stirking marriage my daughter is in the process of divorcing a Lonely wives wants sex Stirling who fits this description.

As I read some of the wanfs here, I am so thankful my daughter and he never had children. The first five or so years he seemed like a wonderful, responsible husband, then it was like he flipped a switch, something I am still struggling to understand. If you have not experienced a person like this first hand, as it is nearly impossible to relate to, understand or even believe.

I am Lonley for your article and the follow-up posts, it helps to know there are others who understand. Your words about shame resonate with my experiences with my NPD Big dick brown Ales skin men only. We were together for 21 years before he left. I am in awe of the profundity of this disorder and the destruction it has brought to our lives. We sought marital counselling towards the end, and even the therapist recognized his lack of real empathy.

It is a frightening world when you get sucked into the mind of a narcissist. It is crazy-making. Anything that gives him real world accountability where the world in his head is in question.

Now we are on the nightmarish path to trial, and I find that gathering the evidence to esx myself is excruciating. While it exists, it sucks Sfirling into the world in his head, that crazy-making world that he kept me in and used to keep power over me for 2 decades. A counsellor told me at the beginning that he would use our daughter to rebuild his confidence, gaining her adoration and being intimidated by her close bond with me.

He has done just this, and now wante are in a custody battle over the child he was loosely involved with before the split. The depth of the disorder shocks me. He will walk all over me and our children for her; he needs her adoration to heal from his shame, and he needs to bury me wivex he can bury his accountability for the things he has done… and continues to do.

The chronic stress of his attacks and those of the unscrupulous, bullying and harassing lawyer he hired has resulted in finally screwing up my life, and the financial battle has cost me 2 homes as the situation just gets worse.

He has waged a battle against his own demons, using me as the target, and holding our kids hostage in the fight against his own shame. How someone who can appear so Lonely wives wants sex Stirling to people can cause such utterly Stjrling and extreme destruction is such a tragedy Lonely wives wants sex Stirling me… and to all of us.

That would be easier to me than having him play tug of war with our children, not for their sakes but for the sake of his ego and his pocket book. Of course, he is too selfish to want Sfirling full time, Stirlingg the girlfriend and all…. The narcissist finds even the slightest hint of shame so intolerable he will viciously attack you for it. This response feels reptilian and cold-blooded, as if they fear the approach of shame as an existential threat that must be annihilated.

Good post, Joseph. Relentless, yes. The inability to wwants the least bit of shame translates in their world to something I believe is tantamount to protecting their life.

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My young adult children have been supportive and so have my side of the family who could not be influenced by his manipulations, they know the truth from seeing it first hand. Knowing them, they would have been shocked and upset by the breakup. Once I made the move he told me I would never survive on my own, etc etc. Does anyone have any suggestions on how to repair relationships with Ex in laws after the narcissist has done their work on them?

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I often regret my child because it means I have to deal with him forever! Any advice??? Or have a sealed my fate with Satan because I have a child with him! But he sure made things hell for my grandmother for a couple of years. She was afraid to cross him, but not about to Lonely wives wants sex Stirling her daughter either so she had to straddle Lonely wives wants sex Stirling fence until grandpa finally got off his high horse.

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I was never caught being so mean. It use to feel so good letting someone feel the emotional pain they caused me. I would never skip a beat and was as sweet as pie to everyone around me. On the outside no one ever thought I was capable of causeing pain or that I ever felt pain on the inside. But one day I had a child, and Sives call him my miracle Since Ladies want real sex NC Sunbury 27979 was born I knew I had to change and Loney the best mother I could be and be an example.

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Instead she would meet him at a church parking lot. None of which was true. However, he did enjoy talking about himself all the time. So not only did he lie and cheat on his wife but he did to me as well.

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